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Well, I just got back from window shopping all afternoon (first time I've actually been out looking at stuff). I've been reading all of your entries while I've been out and aboot. I agree that I don't need the navigation system, so I'm no longer looking for that. I've looked at pretty much all of the SUVs and none of them really excited me, but what I did find out after looking at vehicles in other classes, maybe going the wagon route might be better for me. They get from 1 1/2 to 2 times the mileage of an SUV, and can (it seems) hold more cargo.

Thank you all so much for all of your feedback and feel free to keep it coming! I need all the help I can get.

I should add that whatever I get needs to be able to pull a motorcycle trailer with two motorcycles on it too.
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From:nipper_dawg
Date:January 5th, 2009 10:22 pm (UTC)
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Actually anything in that class will be able. If you go sooby go with the H-6 in the Outback, the H-4 in the forester. if you are going to do alot of towing. If it's a once ina while thing the H-4 will do. The imprezza will do a good job towing too.

Alot of cross-overs/suv/wagons are all sort of interchangable as the line has blurred a great deal. The ford flex has gotten OK reviews, but I would suggest waiting for the better engine to come out in the next model year.

Remember that BMW = Big Money to Work on


If you wish a true wagon your choices are really reduced, but keeping in mind everyone is straving you may be bale to get a good deal on a higher end product. Just avoid saab and Volvo as again unknown futures. Volvo is the better fo those two choices.


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From:gearjock
Date:January 5th, 2009 10:33 pm (UTC)
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I am absolutely crazy about my Yaris Hatchback. It gets 38 MPG, is roomy inside, drives well, was rated the most reliable car on the road and with some upgrades I made to the music/dvd/nav system, I just love the thing.

It probably could not pull a camper, but I am thinking it probably could pull bikes.

You should really test drive one, I think you'd be pretty surprised.

Just my 2 cents.
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From:roadster_guy
Date:January 6th, 2009 04:15 am (UTC)
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Honey, there's no way in hell he's gonna fit all that goalie & scuba gear in a Yaris & still carry other people.

Boy needs something with BAWLS, not wunna them Hamtaro cars!
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From:gearjock
Date:January 6th, 2009 12:23 pm (UTC)
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Ummmmm....
Yeah......
Riiiiiggghhhhttttt.......
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From:yj2002
Date:January 6th, 2009 12:22 am (UTC)

Jeep Wrangler Sierra

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Rocket,
Hey I would suggest looking at the new Jeep Wrangler Sierra 4 door. Daddy bought one in May and he loves it, plus it actually holds more cargo than even my Ford Ranger pickup. It gets around 20-25 MPG highway which for an SUV is great. The prices are actually pretty reasonable too. There is also the Jeep Wrangler Rubicon which is made for off-roading, but it is more expensive.
Hope it helps.
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From:nipper_dawg
Date:January 6th, 2009 01:06 am (UTC)

Re: Jeep Wrangler Sierra

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I really like this car, but I think Chrsyler may fall no matter what happens, so I dont know who will end with jeep (maybe Tata since they seem to be in a buying mood). Jeep won't disapear, But has a very uncertan future.

I like them so much that I cant get drunk around a jeep dealer, otherwise I may just buy one. Lets face it they look great in Tonka Yellow.
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From:pupskippy
Date:January 6th, 2009 01:57 am (UTC)

Re: Jeep Wrangler Sierra

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THANK GOODNESS there is a puppy in here that still thinks American!!!!

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From:roadster_guy
Date:January 6th, 2009 04:33 am (UTC)

Re: Jeep Wrangler Sierra

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Definitely drive one on a highway tho. The Wrangler Unlimited 4-doors I've driven at anything above 50 mph have been horribly squirrely on the highways, and twisty on-road pavement is awful.

If he's getting 20-25 mpg, then he's driving downhill the whole time... that's phenomenal mileage for a Wrangler, I'd be skeptical of such numbers.

They also have notoriously bad reliability.

But they do look SO damn cool...
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From:pupskippy
Date:January 6th, 2009 02:00 am (UTC)
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Understand that IF and I use the word IF Chrysler or GM were to go up... everyone in their Honda and Toyota would also be in MAJOR trouble. We are just not talking about them - but what about say the brake people.

Lets say Chrysler goes belly up and owes ABC Brakes 10 million for brakes that they provide. ABC Brakes is not going to say "Oh Toyota or Honda no problem keep giving us orders, just cus Chrysler owes us 10 million - we will keep making them." NO NO NO - anyone that thinks that needs to relook at the situation, and maybe them and the Dipshit Senator from Alabama can go on a field trip!
From:nipper_dawg
Date:January 6th, 2009 04:47 am (UTC)
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I have already done that speech. I also wont tell my best freinds lover to by something that may not be here in a few months (you can have that pleasure). This is not a radio or an airplane ticket but a 25,000.00 purchase.

Gm will be here, but chrysler should have gone belly up a while ago (and I am very pro american). Auto suppliewrs have already braced fro chrysler to go bankrupt, as its been in thier plans since benz sold them.

You know you loose your argument as soon as you say things like "dipshit" (and a republican). Honda has laid off people and is thinking of moving its HQ out of japan. Toyota has cancled a new plant in the US (and has laid off people), GM has way too many products (and yes i own lots of GM and Ford stock and none of the others) and should have been trimmed back a while ago. BMW has laid off people,as well as Jag and upscale mfgs. ONe chineese MFG just went out of business last week.

Chrysler will hurt, but wont doom any one supplier as it is a small mfg that only has factories in the US with no export market.

We will have Ford and GM. Jeep will still be around, but who owns them I wouldnt place a bet on.

BTW Toyota Subaru BMW Nissan all employe americans as well as Ford GM and Chrysler. the situation is more complicated then screaming buy american. Many american cars are made in mexico canada as well as the USA. This situation goes far beyond American VS import, its the entire economy.

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From:roadster_guy
Date:January 6th, 2009 04:30 am (UTC)
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Oof.

So now you want a WAGON for $500/month? One that can tow, say 2,000 lbs... two motorcycles = about 1,000 lbs., + trailer (around 750 lbs)... + some safety margin...

Hrm. Well, there's the Subaru Legacy & Outback, I'm sure you're familiar with them. The 4-cyl. Outback can tow 2,700 lbs, and the 6-cyl. Outback can tow 3,000 lbs.

Neither Ford, GM, Toyota, Honda, or Nissan make station wagons in the traditional sense. But y'know who does? Volkswagen. An interesting option for you might be the Volkswagen Jetta TDI Sportwagen, it's a diesel, but I don't know what the tow rating is. There's also the larger and more expensive Passat wagon too, that's more comparable to the Subaru Legacy Wagon in terms of price & size.

Dodge made a station wagon that could tow a ton, the Dodge Magnum, but they went out of production half-way through last year. Might be able to find a used one, with a V8 & rear-wheel-drive.

Audi, BMW, & Saab make wagons too, but they're boooocoooo bux. Over $40,000 for the Audi A4, BMW 3-series, or Saab 9-5 wagons, and they're not that big in terms of cargo. Cadillac's about to jump into the competition here with a new CTS Wagon coming this year, and while it's absolutely GORGEOUS, it's still several months away (and also over $40K).

Hrm... something you might want to consider... look at your local Mercedes-Benz dealer for a two- or three-year-old off-lease Mercedes-Benz E-Class Wagon. They're big, solid, roomy, and might come in at around $30K, and usually have used car warranties from Benz. Alternately, the Volvo V50 might be something to consider, but they're rather rare.

Good luck!



From:nipper_dawg
Date:January 6th, 2009 04:48 am (UTC)
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Actually the MB is a good option. Dealers arent moving used cars either, and I cant think of car anyless beat upon then a MB wagon.
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From:gearjock
Date:January 6th, 2009 12:24 pm (UTC)
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Toyota makes the Matrix, just sayin....
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From:gearjock
Date:January 6th, 2009 12:27 pm (UTC)
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I'll tell you what might be immensely suited to your needs and just quirky enough to score points on your gay card is the Honda Element. Is is really designed to the lifestyle and needs you are talking about, and it also has a great reliability record.

Not all that great on gas, but hey.....
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From:roadster_guy
Date:January 6th, 2009 01:23 pm (UTC)
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Actually, an Element might not be a bad idea at all! Plus, has the rubber floors, good for hosing out after scuba & hockey stuff is strewn all about on it! The gas mileage isn't bad, but I worry that it doesn't have the cojones for towing.

Element's got a 1,500-lb. tow rating, which is enough for ONE motorcycle on a small trailer, but not two. It's only got a 4-cyl. engine, so isn't the brawniest thing in the world, unfortunately.
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